Thursday, 09 July 2009

  • Ban blogs from linking?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/blogs-should-be-barred-from-linking-to-newspapers-says-judge-2009-7
     "Blogs should be barred from linking to newspapers, says Judge"


    It's a moot point, and you can easily see why...everyone -- blogs, radio, tv, newspapers, all share content.In our highly digital world, it's natural for information's popularity to migrate to the most comfortable and integral medium. And that is, to put it quite plainly...

    Blogs.

    Most of us don't even make money for what we do.

    So, the solution then should be obvious. Find a way to create blog franchises for the news and have it. Partner with blogs for advertizement. Join in on the whole "citizen journalism movement" and fund it for the P.R.

    Regulation will just gunk things up, so don't go THERE. But just try to do what many people do for free, and get paid for it. Lots of people have done it in different industries. Only this, if you're smart, you'll be doing a service to the freedom of speech instead of what you were doing; being a paid mouthpiece of misinformation and crap.

    Am I saying that I expect tv, radio, and newspaper to die? No. I'm certainly not. Am I saying that it'll probably be pared down a bit? Yes. In some cases, specifically newspaper...QUITE  a bit. And if you're really saddened by the loss of it all, then you should really look to the unpleasant fact that only a few companies own most of our mainstream media in this country -- one falls, they could all fall, for putting all your eggs in one basket.

    Am I saying that I expect the mainstream media to completely change? No. I'm not even saying that most of them will be humble enough to even ATTEMPT to adapt. I don't doubt that as this process -- which is more like a battle, in some areas -- continues, that we won't have paid mouthpieces, other than's usual, on the net in increasing numbers.

    Don't mistake me; we are a victory for free speech and free press. But in many ways, our jobs that we so often do for free...will get harder because of our great success.

     

    Anyways, that's enough for my ranting; please do read the comments of that article. I adore the dialogue there so much. But I liked this comments in particular;
    Henry Blodget says;
    "Here's what would happen if linking was banned: We wouldn't link. This would be worse for you, our readers, and much worse for the news organizations, which would no longer get free traffic from us or an improved Google rank.  We would still summarize and quote, though--so you, our readers, would get most of the value that you're currently getting. And what if they outlaw quoting?  Then we'll just summarize. (The important, interesting stuff. We're not going to waste our time on the 98% of the content that is just commodity stuff resulting from overcapacity in the traditional news industry).  As the Gawker writer notes, you can't copyright news. TV has been reporting what newspapers say for generations, as has radio. There's nothing new about saying "The New York Times reports that..."
    You can't put the genie back in the bottle. There is a very symbiotic relationship here, one that can be a win/win for both aggregators AND original sources (and we do both here at SAI). The fact that the newspaper industry still considers Google News (a huge traffic generator) sleazy and actually seems to be considering trying to ban links shows just how far it is from understanding how value is generated online."

    Jon said;
    Henry, You should have retitled this BAN WORD-OF-MOUTH MARKETING. Will he ban Facebook Updates, Twitter, etc.????  What a ridiculous idea by a superiorly ignorant judge. If he is smart then he clearly has an ulterior that needs further investigation.  All said, this would never possibly pass.

    Fred said;
    Everything I know about newspapers I get from blog links. If the links disappear then so do newspapers.

    Bigval said;
    1. Why link to newspapers anyway?- all they have is lies and deception.


    DISCLAIMER; I do not agree with all the views shown by these users, but I do like some of the points these specific comments of theirs bring up.


    UPDATE; Related link;
    http://www.alternet.org/story/140997/the_corporate_media_state_has_deformed_american_culture_--_time_to_fight_back/?page=entire
    "The Corporate Media State Has Deformed American Culture -- Time to Fight Back"

     

Comments (11)

  • Loonsounds
  • jupiter312

    Wow, that's an extremely dumb idea.  I get about half of my news from links that are posted in blogs.  If that's no longer an option, I'll certainly search out some other news, but not as much.  But hey, if they want people to be less informed...

  • desotoinquest

    I keep seeing things like this, Rachel, and trying to ignore them, and it becomes more and more apparent you can't.  It makes me tired.  In my advanced old age it makes me want 2 leave the country.  But i've been thru my own wars, and i've seen things, man, many of which i am writing about now, trying 2 write the poison out of my system.  But you see things like this and u know they're just not gonna quit.  And there's no avoiding it.  Like someone said in an old X-Files, there's no middle of nowhere anymore.


    This is unrelated; i hope you won't mind me bitching a little anyway.  When i got back to the phone about noon i saw two calls on the caller ID that were from the county.  Now that can mean anything or nothing, but it turned to be the child enforcement office of child support.  I don't have kids, my wife doesn't have them, and obviously our number, which we've had 2 pay 2 have changed twice because of bill collectors and cops going after someone else, sometimes calls in the middle of the night for someone who happened to have had this phone number before.  After we changed the number the second time it has stopped.  Until now.


    After thinking this thru i call Monroe county child support enforcement and say 2 the person that answers, do u have my number there on caller ID?  I know this is an unusual question and there is a pause and she says yes and i say well there ain't no kids here, we dont have no kids never did and i understand times are hard and you got a big caseload, but just because someone else had this number once or because someone there entered the wrong digit on a computer i don't want more calls 'cause either it's somebody else u want or they don't even exist.  Please correct your records before this assumes a life of its own and grows exponentially nightmarish.  (Translation: call here again and i may have five ambulance chasers suing your ass for harrassment, defamation of character, and slander, so lay off.)  And i say all this in a nice way.  When my wife sees this she'll have a bird and call there raising hell unless i can tell her i handled it.


    Sorry i got really carried away.  I shouldnt presume 2 do this on your blog, but you do seem like someone who would sympathize with this.  Thanks for your time.

  • woodrowwilson

    i highly doubt this would ever fly. blogs aren't that big of a threat to news media. if anything, i see them as a supplement, sort of like user-generated op-eds to major news stories.

  • saturnnights

    Great piece!  Yeah, the judge thinks it's lawful and just to keep the links from happening?  (he's probably one of those people writing bills for congress daily) 


    Where would you be MFW...  without links?  I'd say links were a necessary part of blogs.  Nearly essential.  


    Severing the Internet links = less access, less real objectivism, less intercommunication, less regular "buzz", and more control from the same folks bringing us tripe daily on mainstream news.  

  • saturnnights

    @desotoinquest - I enjoyed reading that comment.

  • ProvokingThought

    I posted a couple months back about AP talking about enforcing that people who quote from them were paying the wire fee.


    Two weeks after that I subscribed to AP on you tube and have cut way down on linking their printed material which as you note in the long run hurts them. If anything they should be doing the reverse, going after non-linked content for non- attributation

  • desotoinquest

    @saturnnights - thanks.  I shouldn't have said that on Rachel's blog and embarrased her just because i had a fit, but i'm glad you enjoyed it.  Good to hear from you again---Michael

  • MyFreedomWings

    @Loonsounds - thanks.


    @desotoinquest - Oh no, it's quite fine! I made this blog for the discussion of things that need remarking upon, and while your story is somewhat unrelated to this post...I think it is just as worthwhile to discuss. Definitely, the system always claims to have perfect authority...but really they're not even close...they're never as organized, as fair-minded as they need to be to BE close to the kind of authority they want to claim. Meanwhile, people seem to HAVE to be tough in order not to get hurt by the "authority"\'s own flaws and bullheadedness about their own power. But I don't thgink you're alone -- I think that those of us who don't ignore the things we see (and the best of us can't) all feel tired by it, and for those of us who aren't elderly occasionally feel oldened by the heavy responsibility of remarking upon it. Anyways, I don't embarass easy and; feel free to post any somewhat-unrelated-but-still-worth-discussion comments as you like, Des. ^_^ I can promise that I will always read them, even if I can't always respond in a timely fashion.

    @woodrowwilson - I agree, I think blogs do complement the mainstream a nice amount when they do a good job (and, occasionally, when they do an awful one). Like they say; "No publicity is bad publicity!" But the only time I think blogs're ever a threat is when they do so dreadfully that people choose to use blogs to replace them...and it should be noted that people have gradually been doing that. I hope you're right though...I hope this doesn't fly.


    @saturnnights - In a world of hurt, probably. It'd take me way more than three-five hoursto provide the same amount of quality of information as I do now. I can't imagine where you, Red, and Radical might be either. I'm sure we'd manage anyhow, but it would make what we do harder for us. Like you said, links are almost essential.
    More control; never good.


    @ProvokingThought - Wonderful point! If the judge really wanted to see what would happen if we stopped linking, he should get some data run on the publicity/viewership lost by lack of traffic. Yeah...the AP threatening to fee folks to death for quotes was stupid. Your suggestion is one of the maaaany things they could be doing to regain any ground they may think they've lost.

  • ProvokingThought

    @MyFreedomWings - I just read a few of the comments here and had a counter point I would offer for thougt. I think the blogs have hurt some american media outlets and helped others. But even moreso, there has been a suge of additional traffic to foreign media outlet as they are reporting on items that the american press has not.


    In a roundabout way, the blogoshere is forcing the hand of the paid media in america to report on issues that they have forced exposure on. And of course, the now infamous Monica and Bill by Matt Drudge and nailing Dan Rather in trying to foist of manufactured evidence on Bush are another two actual examples..


  • MyFreedomWings

    @ProvokingThought - 


    It's an interesting process at least -- and again you hit on another lovely point...rarely are things ever so simple as "helpful versus non-helpful"...usually it's a mixture of factors. And I think you laid out the picture the factors for this form, perfectly. Blogs do force the mainstream's hands. In some ways it is a sort of symbiosis, but in others blogs and the mainstream are very much at odds...and other times it's niether of those things, completely indifferent, and in others it's a mixture of everything.


    I can't really bring myself to see it as a negative thing, though. I think it has been a long time coming and I think that if anything might bring us to become slightly more informed, informed "enough" at least -- this might just do it, given proper mauneveuring.


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